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		<title>By: What Is SEMPO? &#124; modupallisaritha</title>
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		<dc:creator>What Is SEMPO? &#124; modupallisaritha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 13:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] It’s not a new topic either, with some of the best commentary/opinion I’ve read coming from Judith Lewis via the ever readable SEO Chicks blog, back in [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: What is SEMPO? &#171; Teste</title>
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		<dc:creator>What is SEMPO? &#171; Teste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 01:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] It’s not a new topic either, with some of the best commentary/opinion I’ve read coming from Judith Lewis via the ever readable SEO Chicks blog, back in [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It’s not a new topic either, with some of the best commentary/opinion I’ve read coming from Judith Lewis via the ever readable SEO Chicks blog, back in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nicholson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Nicholson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry to get to this so late!
However I had a very interesting discussion with another inhouse online marketing person, about those inhouse SEO people (and there&#039;s a few in agency land) who bring us into disrepute.
They alter statistics (analytics, links etc) - and as the only people who know how to use analytics etc can get away with it.
If the make a mistake they b#llshit their way past it, &quot;oh yes blog spam is social media, its when you do it on Chinese sites its part of their culture&quot; etc...
They jump from role to role every 6 months, before they&#039;re lack of knowledge is exposed, before their manipulation of data is exposed.

Now how do you prevent that?
Accreditation? Would that prevent them from simply lying and saying they had it?
Dont get me wrong - I think they&#039;re certainly should be standards and qualifications in our industry... but how do you prevent the above?

Shame list / public black list?
Fine&#039;s from an industry body (would have to be v.official industry body, so might put off many from joining)

Drives me mad.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to get to this so late!<br />
However I had a very interesting discussion with another inhouse online marketing person, about those inhouse SEO people (and there&#8217;s a few in agency land) who bring us into disrepute.<br />
They alter statistics (analytics, links etc) &#8211; and as the only people who know how to use analytics etc can get away with it.<br />
If the make a mistake they b#llshit their way past it, &#8220;oh yes blog spam is social media, its when you do it on Chinese sites its part of their culture&#8221; etc&#8230;<br />
They jump from role to role every 6 months, before they&#8217;re lack of knowledge is exposed, before their manipulation of data is exposed.</p>
<p>Now how do you prevent that?<br />
Accreditation? Would that prevent them from simply lying and saying they had it?<br />
Dont get me wrong &#8211; I think they&#8217;re certainly should be standards and qualifications in our industry&#8230; but how do you prevent the above?</p>
<p>Shame list / public black list?<br />
Fine&#8217;s from an industry body (would have to be v.official industry body, so might put off many from joining)</p>
<p>Drives me mad&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Weekly Search &#38; Social News: 12/15/09 &#124; Technoinspire Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekly Search &#38; Social News: 12/15/09 &#124; Technoinspire Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] years of harassing her. Of her starter action, this one was def my fav. Welcome to the madness Kay!SEO Accreditation strategy Session – while it is unlikely any time soon, it is always nice to see some of the more prominent peeps [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] years of harassing her. Of her starter action, this one was def my fav. Welcome to the madness Kay!SEO Accreditation strategy Session – while it is unlikely any time soon, it is always nice to see some of the more prominent peeps [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Martinez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Search engine-specific accreditation should be coming from the search engines.

Search engine optimization is not all about Google and GOOD SEO is definitely about ALL search-related functions.

Any attempt to establish standards that focuses on one search engine will be a dismal failure.  Such &quot;standards&quot; would have no credibility.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Search engine-specific accreditation should be coming from the search engines.</p>
<p>Search engine optimization is not all about Google and GOOD SEO is definitely about ALL search-related functions.</p>
<p>Any attempt to establish standards that focuses on one search engine will be a dismal failure.  Such &#8220;standards&#8221; would have no credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Judith Lewis 'deCabbit'</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judith Lewis 'deCabbit'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you everyone for your suggestions and contributions!

I&#039;m a fan of service level assurances but the IPA apparently is coming out with this qualification in February according to the SEMPO rep at iCrossing.  Qualifications are coming whether we want them or not.

Something is needed and as @Terry Van Horne said this sort of thing has been tried before.  I wonder, though, if having the IPA behind it will give it legs.  If some of the community would also endorse it, it might be the first step towards a university course of some sort.

:-)

Whatever comes of it, things are certainly changing and in a positive direction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you everyone for your suggestions and contributions!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a fan of service level assurances but the IPA apparently is coming out with this qualification in February according to the SEMPO rep at iCrossing.  Qualifications are coming whether we want them or not.</p>
<p>Something is needed and as @Terry Van Horne said this sort of thing has been tried before.  I wonder, though, if having the IPA behind it will give it legs.  If some of the community would also endorse it, it might be the first step towards a university course of some sort.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.seo-chicks.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Whatever comes of it, things are certainly changing and in a positive direction.</p>
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		<title>By: channel5</title>
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		<dc:creator>channel5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m looking at this as a site owner primarily. My interest in SEO started as I needed SEO for my sites. After finding that it was almost impossible to get anyone good back then (early 2000&#039;s) I learnt how to DIY SEO. In the interests of full disclosure I do now own a stake in a link building company which I (and my partners) founded as we couldn&#039;t find anyone else decent at link building. However, I still consider myself primarily client side rather than agency.

From a client side I don&#039;t think that having &quot;exams&quot; is going to be the sway, as exams unfortunately tend to prove only that you can pass exams, plus in SEO they would be quickly dated.

The key thing as a client I&#039;d be looking for something that gives &quot;trust&quot;. I&#039;m not talking about trust in terms of tactics used, just purely that the company i&#039;m buying services from will follow through on their promise and not rip me off.

It means openness and honesty, there&#039;s nothing wrong with a company offering a service which the engines may consider breaks the TOS as long as the client is aware of the risk/reward ratio and is fully signed up to it.

So to me the key points that any accredited firm/individual must adhere to are:

- openness (we&#039;ll tell you what we&#039;ll do)
- honesty (we&#039;ll educate you of the risks and likely rewards)
- trust (we will follow through and actually implement the work)
- measurability (we will track and measure our success - or lack of it)

So accreditation should be more along the line of a company signing up to a set of professional operating standards. Customers with complaints could take their complaint to the accreditation body and companies that are found to be in breach of standards would be censured and/or have their accreditation removed.

So in summary, to me the greater value would be in managing professional values rather than skill sets or tactics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking at this as a site owner primarily. My interest in SEO started as I needed SEO for my sites. After finding that it was almost impossible to get anyone good back then (early 2000&#8242;s) I learnt how to DIY SEO. In the interests of full disclosure I do now own a stake in a link building company which I (and my partners) founded as we couldn&#8217;t find anyone else decent at link building. However, I still consider myself primarily client side rather than agency.</p>
<p>From a client side I don&#8217;t think that having &#8220;exams&#8221; is going to be the sway, as exams unfortunately tend to prove only that you can pass exams, plus in SEO they would be quickly dated.</p>
<p>The key thing as a client I&#8217;d be looking for something that gives &#8220;trust&#8221;. I&#8217;m not talking about trust in terms of tactics used, just purely that the company i&#8217;m buying services from will follow through on their promise and not rip me off.</p>
<p>It means openness and honesty, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with a company offering a service which the engines may consider breaks the TOS as long as the client is aware of the risk/reward ratio and is fully signed up to it.</p>
<p>So to me the key points that any accredited firm/individual must adhere to are:</p>
<p>- openness (we&#8217;ll tell you what we&#8217;ll do)<br />
- honesty (we&#8217;ll educate you of the risks and likely rewards)<br />
- trust (we will follow through and actually implement the work)<br />
- measurability (we will track and measure our success &#8211; or lack of it)</p>
<p>So accreditation should be more along the line of a company signing up to a set of professional operating standards. Customers with complaints could take their complaint to the accreditation body and companies that are found to be in breach of standards would be censured and/or have their accreditation removed.</p>
<p>So in summary, to me the greater value would be in managing professional values rather than skill sets or tactics.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.seo-chicks.com/1293/seo-accreditation-strategy-session.html#comment-18295</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that a certification in itself won&#039;t solve the issues plaguing the SEO industry. I do think that a good, tough, continually up-to-date SEO certification programme managed by an independent 3rd party will add value to the industry. It will enable potential customers to separate the wheat from the chaff at least a little bit, with the certification serving as a bare minimum level of competence and knowledge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that a certification in itself won&#8217;t solve the issues plaguing the SEO industry. I do think that a good, tough, continually up-to-date SEO certification programme managed by an independent 3rd party will add value to the industry. It will enable potential customers to separate the wheat from the chaff at least a little bit, with the certification serving as a bare minimum level of competence and knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Goodwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Goodwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is something that is growing increasingly dear to my heart. I don&#039;t think accreditation will benifit coprorate seo companies much, large organisations have the time, money, resources and contacts to get a company that (broadly speaking) knows what they are doing. It&#039;s the SME&#039;s who lose their whole years marketing budget to a local &quot;seo&quot; with a copy of Web CEO and no intention to follow through who really lose out. 

Of course unless the large organisations, conference speakers liek Judith, and well known industry names get on board the accreditation will fail before it starts. So there is the catch 22. The people who need to get it in order for it to succeed won&#039;t benifit from it. 

In terms of what it should be, I think it needs to be more about service level guarantees, and being able to demonstrate work done than it is about qualifications. But even that wll prove a little sticky with such an intangible process]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is something that is growing increasingly dear to my heart. I don&#8217;t think accreditation will benifit coprorate seo companies much, large organisations have the time, money, resources and contacts to get a company that (broadly speaking) knows what they are doing. It&#8217;s the SME&#8217;s who lose their whole years marketing budget to a local &#8220;seo&#8221; with a copy of Web CEO and no intention to follow through who really lose out. </p>
<p>Of course unless the large organisations, conference speakers liek Judith, and well known industry names get on board the accreditation will fail before it starts. So there is the catch 22. The people who need to get it in order for it to succeed won&#8217;t benifit from it. </p>
<p>In terms of what it should be, I think it needs to be more about service level guarantees, and being able to demonstrate work done than it is about qualifications. But even that wll prove a little sticky with such an intangible process</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Wicker Jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene Wicker Jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t have a stake in SEO accreditation one way or the other (a certain red head who shall go nameless is my seo savior). However, I will offer up a quote from several years ago that I always point to when people start talking accreditation, certificates, parchment, etc.

&quot;The beauty of the CNE and MCSE programs is they only last a few weeks or months, so workers can become experts on a particular technology (and not at all on competitors to that technology) without having to take years of college-level training. MCSEs and CNEs don&#039;t have to go to college at all. They just have to pass the tests. This sounded great until I remembered my days 20 years ago investigating the Three Mile Island nuclear accident. One of the underlying reasons for that fiasco was that the reactor operators were trained not to run the reactor as much as to pass the test.&quot;
-- Robert X. Cringely, “I, Cringely”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a stake in SEO accreditation one way or the other (a certain red head who shall go nameless is my seo savior). However, I will offer up a quote from several years ago that I always point to when people start talking accreditation, certificates, parchment, etc.</p>
<p>&#8220;The beauty of the CNE and MCSE programs is they only last a few weeks or months, so workers can become experts on a particular technology (and not at all on competitors to that technology) without having to take years of college-level training. MCSEs and CNEs don&#8217;t have to go to college at all. They just have to pass the tests. This sounded great until I remembered my days 20 years ago investigating the Three Mile Island nuclear accident. One of the underlying reasons for that fiasco was that the reactor operators were trained not to run the reactor as much as to pass the test.&#8221;<br />
&#8211; Robert X. Cringely, “I, Cringely”</p>
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