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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 05:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi,

Thanks for the information on alternatives. I too have been searching for an alternative to Alexa now and then when I have a few spare moments. My own sites which are blogs barely make the radar of Alexa but that&#039;s not my biggest concern. But I have seen how stats can be manipulated to increase one&#039;s ranking there.

One example of such manipulation is the use of a blog cycle in sites such as Alphainventions.com and Condron.us to generate mechanical views. One might easily argue that generation of phony statistics is the reason d&#039;etre of these sites. Alphainventions (and not Condron yet anyway) also appears to make considerable income by allowing spammers easy access to his site and to yours. Bloggers go to these sites to publish their own blogs or to view blogs which have recently been updated and possibly to connect with other bloggers.


While doing some research on how to increase views I eventually came across the ranking sites. I don&#039;t know enough about the source or quality of statistics to understand some of the arguments about why Alexa oughtn&#039;t be so highly regarded. I can detect a phony stat now and then when it crosses my path though; and see some of the means of manipulation and generation of stats.

I&#039;ve been looking at Alexa stats on a site (not my own) for several weeks and have noticed a startling face about their stat graphs: the week and the month graphs do not agree. I don&#039;t mean that the lines don&#039;t look the same; that could be explained by the magnification. No, the fact is that if you compare the &quot;trailing one month&quot; stat given by the graph for any particular day to the same day&#039;s stat on the &quot;trailing one week&quot; graph you will find as often as not that they are not the same. How can they not be the same? They ought to be exactly the same. Yet you will typically find one to be 3.8 and the other to be 2.6 or some such large inexplicable difference. Is it due to a sloppy graph drawer? Poor mathematicians in the Alexa graphics department? Whatever the cause of these large discrepancies they certainly do NOT suggest the work one would expect from the standard of the industry.

That&#039;s all.     -- James

Regarding your suggestion (above) to use a &quot;bit of javascript in a widget&quot; to increase the accuracy of stats. How? Yes, you might get a more accurate count of the statistic for a single site but there are plenty of free statistic counters (Statcounter, Ritecounter) which do that albeit with some inaccuracy. But these ranking sites are supposed to do more than count your stats. They must compare your site to other sites before ranking can be done. Until a large majority of these sites have that javascript in place then any attempt to compare them or rank them might be ludicrous. What is used when they don&#039;t have the counters in a widget? Is it estimates based on some profile of the site?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Thanks for the information on alternatives. I too have been searching for an alternative to Alexa now and then when I have a few spare moments. My own sites which are blogs barely make the radar of Alexa but that&#8217;s not my biggest concern. But I have seen how stats can be manipulated to increase one&#8217;s ranking there.</p>
<p>One example of such manipulation is the use of a blog cycle in sites such as Alphainventions.com and Condron.us to generate mechanical views. One might easily argue that generation of phony statistics is the reason d&#8217;etre of these sites. Alphainventions (and not Condron yet anyway) also appears to make considerable income by allowing spammers easy access to his site and to yours. Bloggers go to these sites to publish their own blogs or to view blogs which have recently been updated and possibly to connect with other bloggers.</p>
<p>While doing some research on how to increase views I eventually came across the ranking sites. I don&#8217;t know enough about the source or quality of statistics to understand some of the arguments about why Alexa oughtn&#8217;t be so highly regarded. I can detect a phony stat now and then when it crosses my path though; and see some of the means of manipulation and generation of stats.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been looking at Alexa stats on a site (not my own) for several weeks and have noticed a startling face about their stat graphs: the week and the month graphs do not agree. I don&#8217;t mean that the lines don&#8217;t look the same; that could be explained by the magnification. No, the fact is that if you compare the &#8220;trailing one month&#8221; stat given by the graph for any particular day to the same day&#8217;s stat on the &#8220;trailing one week&#8221; graph you will find as often as not that they are not the same. How can they not be the same? They ought to be exactly the same. Yet you will typically find one to be 3.8 and the other to be 2.6 or some such large inexplicable difference. Is it due to a sloppy graph drawer? Poor mathematicians in the Alexa graphics department? Whatever the cause of these large discrepancies they certainly do NOT suggest the work one would expect from the standard of the industry.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all.     &#8212; James</p>
<p>Regarding your suggestion (above) to use a &#8220;bit of javascript in a widget&#8221; to increase the accuracy of stats. How? Yes, you might get a more accurate count of the statistic for a single site but there are plenty of free statistic counters (Statcounter, Ritecounter) which do that albeit with some inaccuracy. But these ranking sites are supposed to do more than count your stats. They must compare your site to other sites before ranking can be done. Until a large majority of these sites have that javascript in place then any attempt to compare them or rank them might be ludicrous. What is used when they don&#8217;t have the counters in a widget? Is it estimates based on some profile of the site?</p>
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		<title>By: Corinne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corinne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hi nice post, i enjoyed it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi nice post, i enjoyed it</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Joyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Judith--simple trending is the only thing we have apparently! So yes, it&#039;s of value, definitely. It&#039;s certainly what I used to show to clients to get my point across, so I&#039;m not sure why the lack of concrete numbers that make sense gets to me in this way. There have been too many times in which I relied upon numbers, however, then found out that they were way off. If you&#039;re working on a pay-for-performance basis, for example, and you charge by the traffic, what do you do when someone disproves the numbers you used to charge the client? Even though this isn&#039;t an issue for me right now, it has been before and I suspect that it will be again. I just really would like to see something that is on target, for once!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judith&#8211;simple trending is the only thing we have apparently! So yes, it&#8217;s of value, definitely. It&#8217;s certainly what I used to show to clients to get my point across, so I&#8217;m not sure why the lack of concrete numbers that make sense gets to me in this way. There have been too many times in which I relied upon numbers, however, then found out that they were way off. If you&#8217;re working on a pay-for-performance basis, for example, and you charge by the traffic, what do you do when someone disproves the numbers you used to charge the client? Even though this isn&#8217;t an issue for me right now, it has been before and I suspect that it will be again. I just really would like to see something that is on target, for once!</p>
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		<title>By: Judith Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judith Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah Julie - your posts just inspire too much deep thought.  My brain is overheating and my coworkers are worrying about the smoke coming out of my ears!

Could simple trending be of value - not sure.  If it is then we have kicked some wicked butt here *grins*  In fact, maybe I&#039;ll start believing Alexa if just for the ego boost *winks*

You are correct - stats for one site can vary.  I have the proof in a recent audit.  It&#039;s so fraught with difficulties I can see why you blogged about it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah Julie &#8211; your posts just inspire too much deep thought.  My brain is overheating and my coworkers are worrying about the smoke coming out of my ears!</p>
<p>Could simple trending be of value &#8211; not sure.  If it is then we have kicked some wicked butt here *grins*  In fact, maybe I&#8217;ll start believing Alexa if just for the ego boost *winks*</p>
<p>You are correct &#8211; stats for one site can vary.  I have the proof in a recent audit.  It&#8217;s so fraught with difficulties I can see why you blogged about it!</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Joyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have a good point Ed. Even web stats for one site are inaccurate in many cases...I guess that, since we use trends for many other aspects of determining how to proceed, this really shouldn&#039;t be too different.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have a good point Ed. Even web stats for one site are inaccurate in many cases&#8230;I guess that, since we use trends for many other aspects of determining how to proceed, this really shouldn&#8217;t be too different.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie,</p>
<p>Please contact me by email if you want more details. </p>
<p>I don’t agree with the usual criticism that these services are “wildly inaccurate”. Tracking traffic to 10 million different websites is a much more difficult problem than determining the top TV shows last week.</p>
<p>Even numbers that stay within an order of magnitude of the actual traffic can have some value – especially if the demographic data is close. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting process to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Joyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 12:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks like the theme of inaccuracy is simply rampant with this type of thing, unfortunately. It&#039;s very annoying...seems like it would be a simple thing to do well, and to do nicely! I&#039;m also quite sick of people stretching the truth to get business. Good points as always Miss Judith!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the theme of inaccuracy is simply rampant with this type of thing, unfortunately. It&#8217;s very annoying&#8230;seems like it would be a simple thing to do well, and to do nicely! I&#8217;m also quite sick of people stretching the truth to get business. Good points as always Miss Judith!</p>
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		<title>By: Judith Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judith Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 11:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to say that I have some reservations about Hitwise.

First and foremost, my understanding from speaking to someone who works for Hitwise is that it is an enterprise solution.  This means if you are an SME, it is not as useful.

One site I work on is on the ragged edge of this demographic.  Recently they were told gains had been made against their much larger rival who hash better market penetration and better brand awareness.  I have trouble with this since I know their stats :)

But as a comparison, Alexa sais the smaller site had double the traffic of the larger one.  Ouch - that seems wildly inaccurate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that I have some reservations about Hitwise.</p>
<p>First and foremost, my understanding from speaking to someone who works for Hitwise is that it is an enterprise solution.  This means if you are an SME, it is not as useful.</p>
<p>One site I work on is on the ragged edge of this demographic.  Recently they were told gains had been made against their much larger rival who hash better market penetration and better brand awareness.  I have trouble with this since I know their stats <img src='http://www.seo-chicks.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But as a comparison, Alexa sais the smaller site had double the traffic of the larger one.  Ouch &#8211; that seems wildly inaccurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Joyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 21:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ed--good to know. The site I examined looked pretty accurate to me too so maybe this one IS a decent alternative. If you can get this for free, I certainly wouldn&#039;t spend to get it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed&#8211;good to know. The site I examined looked pretty accurate to me too so maybe this one IS a decent alternative. If you can get this for free, I certainly wouldn&#8217;t spend to get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 16:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Julie,

I manage about 20 domains with traffic ranging from 500 to 1,000,000 unique US visitors per month. I&#039;m pleasantly surprised at how accurate Quantcast is when compared to the numbers reported by Google Analytics. Even the demographic info is good. We have a few sites that we know draw high numbers from certain groups (Female or Africans-American audiences for eaxample), and their demo info is about right.

I&#039;ve looked at the fee-based services like Hitwise, but for now I can&#039;t justify spending the money over the free info from Quantcast.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie,</p>
<p>I manage about 20 domains with traffic ranging from 500 to 1,000,000 unique US visitors per month. I&#8217;m pleasantly surprised at how accurate Quantcast is when compared to the numbers reported by Google Analytics. Even the demographic info is good. We have a few sites that we know draw high numbers from certain groups (Female or Africans-American audiences for eaxample), and their demo info is about right.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve looked at the fee-based services like Hitwise, but for now I can&#8217;t justify spending the money over the free info from Quantcast.</p>
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