Comments on: SEO – Do or do not, there is not try! http://www.seo-chicks.com/460/seo-%e2%80%93-do-or-do-not-there-is-not-try.html The SEO Blog with attitude Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:56:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Shrenik Vora http://www.seo-chicks.com/460/seo-%e2%80%93-do-or-do-not-there-is-not-try.html#comment-12397 Shrenik Vora Sat, 10 May 2008 06:52:24 +0000 http://www.seo-chicks.com/460/seo-%e2%80%93-do-or-do-not-there-is-not-try.html#comment-12397 Hi Lisa, I'm a recent reader of Seo-chicks. well i have gone through post, i would like to know more about your service and experience. please email me your details, service and company info. Thanks Shrenik Hi Lisa,

I’m a recent reader of Seo-chicks. well i have gone through post, i would like to know more about your service and experience.

please email me your details, service and company info.

Thanks

Shrenik

]]> By: Patrick Ryall http://www.seo-chicks.com/460/seo-%e2%80%93-do-or-do-not-there-is-not-try.html#comment-7246 Patrick Ryall Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:43:28 +0000 http://www.seo-chicks.com/460/seo-%e2%80%93-do-or-do-not-there-is-not-try.html#comment-7246 Hi Lisa, I understand where you are coming from. One of our clients we have been performing SEO services for, now believes he can do it all!! Now he emails me saying I have just seo'ed more of the site and to my horror he has stuffed a bunch of keywords into the copy and at the base of the web pages. I called him saying what the ^$%& are you doing and he quite proudly said SEO it is all about keywords you know. I almost let fly but decorum made me bite my lip. It quite frankly gets on your nerves when you have been in the industry years and you find yourself still learning new things everyday only to have a client with no idea in this world suddenly thinking they know what their doing. If you find clients frowning at your pricing we wrote and incredibly simple comparison the other day comparing the cost of SEO to PPC it has already brought us new clients. :) <a href="http://www.webrand.com.au/index.php/Is-SEO-worth-the-capital-outlay.html " rel="nofollow">SEO compared to PPC</a> I like that analogy on reciprocal links, can see me using that at some stage :) It does amaze me how a client is perfectly happy to spend literally thousands on advertising, then have the cheek to call you expensive when our services are so valuable. I will be watching your blog Lisa I have read over a few posts and it's all good stuff. Take care and most of all Have a <strong>B L O G G I N G </strong> good day! Hi Lisa, I understand where you are coming from. One of our clients we have been performing SEO services for, now believes he can do it all!! Now he emails me saying I have just seo’ed more of the site and to my horror he has stuffed a bunch of keywords into the copy and at the base of the web pages.
I called him saying what the ^$%& are you doing and he quite proudly said SEO it is all about keywords you know. I almost let fly but decorum made me bite my lip.

It quite frankly gets on your nerves when you have been in the industry years and you find yourself still learning new things everyday only to have a client with no idea in this world suddenly thinking they know what their doing.

If you find clients frowning at your pricing we wrote and incredibly simple comparison the other day comparing the cost of SEO to PPC it has already brought us new clients. :)
SEO compared to PPC

I like that analogy on reciprocal links, can see me using that at some stage :)

It does amaze me how a client is perfectly happy to spend literally thousands on advertising, then have the cheek to call you expensive when our services are so valuable.

I will be watching your blog Lisa I have read over a few posts and it’s all good stuff. Take care and most of all

Have a B L O G G I N G good day!

]]> By: Lisa Ditlefsen http://www.seo-chicks.com/460/seo-%e2%80%93-do-or-do-not-there-is-not-try.html#comment-7211 Lisa Ditlefsen Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:05:09 +0000 http://www.seo-chicks.com/460/seo-%e2%80%93-do-or-do-not-there-is-not-try.html#comment-7211 Patrick: Thanks for commenting, yep thats very true. And believe me I'm full of analogies, explaining the importance of linking with the voting analogy etc. Maybe the problem is actually I'm making it sound too easy, hence they think they can do it all themselves =) Talking about analogies, one of my favourite analogies was made by Mikkel deMib Svendsen at SMX in London. He was explaining just why reciprocal linking is useless: I have a pint of beer, I give you the beer and you give the beer back to me. THAT doesn't give us MORE beer! HA HA! Love it! I actually used that in a client meeting the other day and couldn't stop laughing lol..the clients smiled but I found it hilarious. Note to self, when saying something funny wait for people to laugh =) Oh and another one of my all time favourite analogy stories is this one http://www.searchengineguide.com/diane-aull/why-do-the-good-seos-cost-so-much.php Genius! Patrick: Thanks for commenting, yep thats very true. And believe me I’m full of analogies, explaining the importance of linking with the voting analogy etc. Maybe the problem is actually I’m making it sound too easy, hence they think they can do it all themselves =)

Talking about analogies, one of my favourite analogies was made by Mikkel deMib Svendsen at SMX in London. He was explaining just why reciprocal linking is useless: I have a pint of beer, I give you the beer and you give the beer back to me. THAT doesn’t give us MORE beer! HA HA! Love it! I actually used that in a client meeting the other day and couldn’t stop laughing lol..the clients smiled but I found it hilarious. Note to self, when saying something funny wait for people to laugh =)

Oh and another one of my all time favourite analogy stories is this one http://www.searchengineguide.com/diane-aull/why-do-the-good-seos-cost-so-much.php

Genius!

]]> By: Mr Happy http://www.seo-chicks.com/460/seo-%e2%80%93-do-or-do-not-there-is-not-try.html#comment-7205 Mr Happy Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:21:36 +0000 http://www.seo-chicks.com/460/seo-%e2%80%93-do-or-do-not-there-is-not-try.html#comment-7205 My mum still thinks that I am a computer programmer. I've tried a couple of times to disuade her from this opinion but because I use a computer - and she can't find Microsoft Word on my PC I must be a programmer. go figure! My mum still thinks that I am a computer programmer. I’ve tried a couple of times to disuade her from this opinion but because I use a computer - and she can’t find Microsoft Word on my PC I must be a programmer. go figure!

]]> By: Julie Joyce http://www.seo-chicks.com/460/seo-%e2%80%93-do-or-do-not-there-is-not-try.html#comment-7203 Julie Joyce Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:59:57 +0000 http://www.seo-chicks.com/460/seo-%e2%80%93-do-or-do-not-there-is-not-try.html#comment-7203 Mohair is "a silk-like fabric or yarn made from the hair of the docile Angora goat." according to Wikipedia. Hell, I didn't even know that! Mohair is “a silk-like fabric or yarn made from the hair of the docile Angora goat.” according to Wikipedia. Hell, I didn’t even know that!

]]> By: Lisa Ditlefsen http://www.seo-chicks.com/460/seo-%e2%80%93-do-or-do-not-there-is-not-try.html#comment-7191 Lisa Ditlefsen Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:18:31 +0000 http://www.seo-chicks.com/460/seo-%e2%80%93-do-or-do-not-there-is-not-try.html#comment-7191 Julie: what the heck is mohair? Speak Norwegian woman... Jane: lol PageWank 9.... Rishil: Sometimes the actual problem is when you tell them too much, and they THINK they "get it". Agh. I did the mistake of showing one of my clients some of SEOmoz's tools (which I love) but the client got obsessed checking the site through the tools and phoned me up all the time in a panic about freakin nothing. Damn you Rand ;) Julie: what the heck is mohair? Speak Norwegian woman…

Jane: lol PageWank 9….

Rishil: Sometimes the actual problem is when you tell them too much, and they THINK they “get it”. Agh. I did the mistake of showing one of my clients some of SEOmoz’s tools (which I love) but the client got obsessed checking the site through the tools and phoned me up all the time in a panic about freakin nothing. Damn you Rand ;)

]]> By: David Temple http://www.seo-chicks.com/460/seo-%e2%80%93-do-or-do-not-there-is-not-try.html#comment-7187 David Temple Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:32:50 +0000 http://www.seo-chicks.com/460/seo-%e2%80%93-do-or-do-not-there-is-not-try.html#comment-7187 Love the title Lisa D. The scary thing is if they talk to an LSEO company (Loser SEO) prior to talking to one that gets it, yikes! I like to tell them SEO is like chess. Easy to learn, difficult to master. "So prospective client, you know how to move the horsey thing but if you don't use us, you'll get pwned". Love the title Lisa D. The scary thing is if they talk to an LSEO company (Loser SEO) prior to talking to one that gets it, yikes! I like to tell them SEO is like chess. Easy to learn, difficult to master. “So prospective client, you know how to move the horsey thing but if you don’t use us, you’ll get pwned”.

]]> By: Dan Alderson http://www.seo-chicks.com/460/seo-%e2%80%93-do-or-do-not-there-is-not-try.html#comment-7186 Dan Alderson Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:59:07 +0000 http://www.seo-chicks.com/460/seo-%e2%80%93-do-or-do-not-there-is-not-try.html#comment-7186 haha, I am just starting out in my career in SEO and whenever I proudly tell people of my new job the question is always asked "so how do you...do...make google...errr..do it?" A question I have now been asked countless times, and it is difficult with my current limited knowlage of the various ways (but I am learning quick!) and trying to keep it simple so friends and family can understand. Is probably the hardest part of the job so far! haha, I am just starting out in my career in SEO and whenever I proudly tell people of my new job the question is always asked “so how do you…do…make google…errr..do it?” A question I have now been asked countless times, and it is difficult with my current limited knowlage of the various ways (but I am learning quick!) and trying to keep it simple so friends and family can understand. Is probably the hardest part of the job so far!

]]> By: Patrick Ryall http://www.seo-chicks.com/460/seo-%e2%80%93-do-or-do-not-there-is-not-try.html#comment-7180 Patrick Ryall Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:20:15 +0000 http://www.seo-chicks.com/460/seo-%e2%80%93-do-or-do-not-there-is-not-try.html#comment-7180 Greetings all, I find in allot of cases it depends on the analogy you use. People in many cases grasp concepts better if you can relate it to something they already understand. I had a wonderful chat with a new client the other day whom thought we were all sitting in dark rooms talking googly gook, after explaining the essence of SEO practises using simple to understand analogy's Lisa understood much easier and far more. Lisa by the way is the companies marketing person and by no means an idiot, if someone finds your concepts hard to grasp try finding terms they understand. People understand quite easily the concept of inbound links being votes, furthermore they understand that it makes sense for those links to contain their key word phrases. Most clients I find are interested in what you actually do apart from the code side of things and more the copy optimisation. Great post! and try not to hurt your head to much. Have a <strong>B L O G G I N G </strong> good day! Greetings all, I find in allot of cases it depends on the analogy you use. People in many cases grasp concepts better if you can relate it to something they already understand.

I had a wonderful chat with a new client the other day whom thought we were all sitting in dark rooms talking googly gook, after explaining the essence of SEO practises using simple to understand analogy’s Lisa understood much easier and far more.

Lisa by the way is the companies marketing person and by no means an idiot, if someone finds your concepts hard to grasp try finding terms they understand.

People understand quite easily the concept of inbound links being votes, furthermore they understand that it makes sense for those links to contain their key word phrases. Most clients I find are interested in what you actually do apart from the code side of things and more the copy optimisation.

Great post! and try not to hurt your head to much.
Have a B L O G G I N G good day!

]]> By: Jane Copland http://www.seo-chicks.com/460/seo-%e2%80%93-do-or-do-not-there-is-not-try.html#comment-7175 Jane Copland Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:44:53 +0000 http://www.seo-chicks.com/460/seo-%e2%80%93-do-or-do-not-there-is-not-try.html#comment-7175 The most nightmarish client we had wanted a PageRank 9 and not much else. Rankings? Who gives a crap. Traffic? Meh. Ticket sales? Shrug. They basically wanted a PR three places higher than every other site in their industry. It was PR9 or bust. We chose bust. Later on, someone pointed out to me how they're now buying links all over the place and their Page Rank is still 6. The most nightmarish client we had wanted a PageRank 9 and not much else. Rankings? Who gives a crap. Traffic? Meh. Ticket sales? Shrug. They basically wanted a PR three places higher than every other site in their industry. It was PR9 or bust.

We chose bust. Later on, someone pointed out to me how they’re now buying links all over the place and their Page Rank is still 6.

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