Comments on: Feckin’ Women’s Knickers! Girls! and SEO http://www.seo-chicks.com/141/womens-knickers-girls-and-seo.html The SEO Blog with attitude Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:46:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Julie Joyce http://www.seo-chicks.com/141/womens-knickers-girls-and-seo.html#comment-155 Julie Joyce Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:09:36 +0000 http://www.seo-chicks.com/141/womens-knickers-girls-and-seo.html#comment-155 Anita, your point number 1 perfectly sums up how I feel now. We are both extremely lucky to be surrounded by open-minded men who think of us as people, not as women. I don't think a lot of women have been so lucky YET but you are dead on when you say that there are more guys "for" than "against"...I simply have to believe that, especially in this field. I'd also like to add that when Lisa and I were in Seattle with our SEO Chicks shirts on, we had equal attention from men and women, all of whom were very supportive of the idea of a female-run SEO blog. I think this industry in general has some amazing people in it, and hopefully other industries will follow the trend of seeing all of us equally. Anita, your point number 1 perfectly sums up how I feel now. We are both extremely lucky to be surrounded by open-minded men who think of us as people, not as women. I don’t think a lot of women have been so lucky YET but you are dead on when you say that there are more guys “for” than “against”…I simply have to believe that, especially in this field. I’d also like to add that when Lisa and I were in Seattle with our SEO Chicks shirts on, we had equal attention from men and women, all of whom were very supportive of the idea of a female-run SEO blog. I think this industry in general has some amazing people in it, and hopefully other industries will follow the trend of seeing all of us equally.

]]> By: Anita Chaperon http://www.seo-chicks.com/141/womens-knickers-girls-and-seo.html#comment-153 Anita Chaperon Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:20:21 +0000 http://www.seo-chicks.com/141/womens-knickers-girls-and-seo.html#comment-153 LOL - nice one Judith! Exactly what i mean by - if a man is silly enough to underestimate a woman in the industry just 'cause of gender, then the onus is on him... Lisa, don't know if you remember my reaction to the "well known (male) SEO" in question, that evening... His face said it all... LOL - nice one Judith! Exactly what i mean by - if a man is silly enough to underestimate a woman in the industry just ’cause of gender, then the onus is on him…

Lisa, don’t know if you remember my reaction to the “well known (male) SEO” in question, that evening… His face said it all…

]]> By: Anita Chaperon http://www.seo-chicks.com/141/womens-knickers-girls-and-seo.html#comment-152 Anita Chaperon Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:17:32 +0000 http://www.seo-chicks.com/141/womens-knickers-girls-and-seo.html#comment-152 Well well... I just have to fly the flag here :o) I love the post, Julie - as usual, with a lot of humour infused. I tend to be on the side of the Rae camp. I've never really cared much about people taking me less seriously for being female. I do a job because it needs doing, I put the best effort I can into it, and I do it for the love of my job - not because I have a point to prove. Maybe that's why I haven't really noticed much sexism going around. In my opinion, if a guy is silly enough to think less of my competence because I'm a woman, than that's his mistake/misjudgment & later on his problem. There are two side notes to this though... 1) First - I've been very fortunate to be surrounded by men in this industry that have been very supportive, and somewhat enthusiastic about the increasing female presence in search (guys in my ex London team, and many guys I've met at conferences). I brand those guys as very wise :o)... Seriously though, I feel that there are more guys 'for' than 'against'... 2) Secondly - I've never really focused on noticing if people treat me differently because I'm a woman. Again, it goes down to the fact that I am proud to be one, and I've never really doubted my own abilities. That's not to say that everyone that feels differently is in doubt - it's just what I feel. Hey, Julie - this should have been our first post! Well well… I just have to fly the flag here :o)
I love the post, Julie - as usual, with a lot of humour infused.

I tend to be on the side of the Rae camp. I’ve never really cared much about people taking me less seriously for being female. I do a job because it needs doing, I put the best effort I can into it, and I do it for the love of my job - not because I have a point to prove.

Maybe that’s why I haven’t really noticed much sexism going around. In my opinion, if a guy is silly enough to think less of my competence because I’m a woman, than that’s his mistake/misjudgment & later on his problem.

There are two side notes to this though…

1) First - I’ve been very fortunate to be surrounded by men in this industry that have been very supportive, and somewhat enthusiastic about the increasing female presence in search (guys in my ex London team, and many guys I’ve met at conferences). I brand those guys as very wise :o)… Seriously though, I feel that there are more guys ‘for’ than ‘against’…

2) Secondly - I’ve never really focused on noticing if people treat me differently because I’m a woman. Again, it goes down to the fact that I am proud to be one, and I’ve never really doubted my own abilities. That’s not to say that everyone that feels differently is in doubt - it’s just what I feel.

Hey, Julie - this should have been our first post!

]]> By: Judith Lewis http://www.seo-chicks.com/141/womens-knickers-girls-and-seo.html#comment-151 Judith Lewis Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:42:52 +0000 http://www.seo-chicks.com/141/womens-knickers-girls-and-seo.html#comment-151 Where I am at the moment, I've been able to differentiate myself for my knowledge, and not my gender. I've pretty much done that everywhere I've worked and management has rewarded me. However customers haven't always seen it that way. I remember one time at a tech firm where a customer asked to speak to one of the guys despite the fact I was the only one who could fix his server down situation. I went on lunch. Where I am at the moment, I’ve been able to differentiate myself for my knowledge, and not my gender. I’ve pretty much done that everywhere I’ve worked and management has rewarded me. However customers haven’t always seen it that way.

I remember one time at a tech firm where a customer asked to speak to one of the guys despite the fact I was the only one who could fix his server down situation. I went on lunch.

]]> By: evilgreenmonkey http://www.seo-chicks.com/141/womens-knickers-girls-and-seo.html#comment-148 evilgreenmonkey Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:22:30 +0000 http://www.seo-chicks.com/141/womens-knickers-girls-and-seo.html#comment-148 <blockquote>He’s serious class even though it pains me to admit it publicly.</blockquote>Are you trying to freak me out again or sucking up in the hope that I'll take on baby sitting duties for your little horrors when you're over?

He’s serious class even though it pains me to admit it publicly.

Are you trying to freak me out again or sucking up in the hope that I’ll take on baby sitting duties for your little horrors when you’re over?

]]> By: babychicken4u2 http://www.seo-chicks.com/141/womens-knickers-girls-and-seo.html#comment-147 babychicken4u2 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:37:14 +0000 http://www.seo-chicks.com/141/womens-knickers-girls-and-seo.html#comment-147 Wow, LOL I hope you didn't think I was playing around when I came here and commented. My nickname is Babychicken and has been for ... well ... since I was a child. I use it all over the Internet. You are dead on about women SEOs. Peace Baby Wow, LOL
I hope you didn’t think I was playing around when I came here and commented. My nickname is Babychicken and has been for … well … since I was a child. I use it all over the Internet. You are dead on about women SEOs.
Peace
Baby

]]> By: Julie Joyce http://www.seo-chicks.com/141/womens-knickers-girls-and-seo.html#comment-146 Julie Joyce Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:27:33 +0000 http://www.seo-chicks.com/141/womens-knickers-girls-and-seo.html#comment-146 QueenBeeCassi, you make an excellent point when you state "Sexist attitudes can be so ingrained in people that they don’t even realize what they’re saying, or how they’re treating you, is unacceptable." The same is true for racism and other forms of discrimination. They really do become ingrained and people aren't as aware of the attitudes. This is why pointing it out and discussing it is so important. I'd sure like to know when something I'm saying or doing offends someone--then I am on the spot to explain myself to someone, or to MYSELF. QueenBeeCassi, you make an excellent point when you state “Sexist attitudes can be so ingrained in people that they don’t even realize what they’re saying, or how they’re treating you, is unacceptable.”

The same is true for racism and other forms of discrimination. They really do become ingrained and people aren’t as aware of the attitudes. This is why pointing it out and discussing it is so important. I’d sure like to know when something I’m saying or doing offends someone–then I am on the spot to explain myself to someone, or to MYSELF.

]]> By: Julie Joyce http://www.seo-chicks.com/141/womens-knickers-girls-and-seo.html#comment-145 Julie Joyce Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:23:57 +0000 http://www.seo-chicks.com/141/womens-knickers-girls-and-seo.html#comment-145 I will participate, and gladly, in the Chicks vs. Blokes drinking contest. You'll be sorry, and you may get slapped (again)... I'd like to say two more things: 1. Rob Kerry is one of the least sexist men I know. As much as I make jokes about him, he's a great guy and if you don't agree let me know so I can have you spammed. He's serious class even though it pains me to admit it publicly. 2. Speaking of serious class, one of the classiest women I know is Louise Jordan, who's married to RC Jordan (probably THE best old school SEO mac daddy.) At my first SEO Roadshow Louise told me to ENJOY being one of the only girls in the field. I think it was great advice. She just wanted me to understand that it was a pleasure and not something I should complain about, which I had been doing (this was before I met so many women that I love in this field.) I think that's fantastic advice and I've taken it ever since the day I met her. I will participate, and gladly, in the Chicks vs. Blokes drinking contest. You’ll be sorry, and you may get slapped (again)…

I’d like to say two more things:
1. Rob Kerry is one of the least sexist men I know. As much as I make jokes about him, he’s a great guy and if you don’t agree let me know so I can have you spammed. He’s serious class even though it pains me to admit it publicly.
2. Speaking of serious class, one of the classiest women I know is Louise Jordan, who’s married to RC Jordan (probably THE best old school SEO mac daddy.) At my first SEO Roadshow Louise told me to ENJOY being one of the only girls in the field. I think it was great advice. She just wanted me to understand that it was a pleasure and not something I should complain about, which I had been doing (this was before I met so many women that I love in this field.) I think that’s fantastic advice and I’ve taken it ever since the day I met her.

]]> By: Lisa Ditlefsen http://www.seo-chicks.com/141/womens-knickers-girls-and-seo.html#comment-144 Lisa Ditlefsen Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:51:42 +0000 http://www.seo-chicks.com/141/womens-knickers-girls-and-seo.html#comment-144 lol yeah you do actually, but thats ok evilgreendonkey...And for the recod it wasn't Rob, if it had been I would have just given you a slap ;0) lol yeah you do actually, but thats ok evilgreendonkey…And for the recod it wasn’t Rob, if it had been I would have just given you a slap ;0)

]]> By: evilgreenmonkey http://www.seo-chicks.com/141/womens-knickers-girls-and-seo.html#comment-143 evilgreenmonkey Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:34:01 +0000 http://www.seo-chicks.com/141/womens-knickers-girls-and-seo.html#comment-143 <blockquote>A well known (male) SEO referred to me and another female SEO as “bimbos that didn’t know anything about SEO” It boiled my blood. Just because we are woman and not butt ugly does not mean we are bimbos or stupid.</blockquote>Just to clarify, that wasn't me. I'm only well known by the police and a certain hotel in Cumbria. I do call you several other names though :D

A well known (male) SEO referred to me and another female SEO as “bimbos that didn’t know anything about SEO” It boiled my blood. Just because we are woman and not butt ugly does not mean we are bimbos or stupid.

Just to clarify, that wasn’t me. I’m only well known by the police and a certain hotel in Cumbria. I do call you several other names though :D

]]>